[Ocelot]

The symbol to which you refer is, I believe more correctly known as a Tai-chi



The black half represent and abstraction called yin. The white half represents the abstraction called yang.

The presence of the small dots of opposing colour represents pretty much what you've been saying about of any perfect and pure examples of these abstractions in the real world. Yni and Yang are interdependant each born from the other.

It is tempting for a western mind ground in western dualism to miss the message of the Tai-chi and see it as a message promoting dualistic thought but my understanding is that the opposite is true.

Perhaps this is more telling in these variants



That said I must agree that it is a limited message and not the be all and end all. The persepctive it grants is not all encompassing it is but one of many. See it, appreciate it, understand it and move on.

[Ocelot]

Siau, on Jun 29 2007, 01:21 PM, said:

Point to something absolutely white. If you think you have found such a thing, publish a paper on it because Science doesn’t believe such a thing exists. The same is true of the absolute black although they speculate that perhaps far outside the bounds of the known universe, such a void of nothingness might exist.

I'm off on a tangent.

Physicists love pefect black bodies. (No I don't mean Tyra Banks ) To them it means that any radiation incident on the black body will be abosrbed and that the specturm of electromagnetic radiation emited at any temperature will be a perfect boltzman curve. I'll have to agree that perfection is an unobtaibale goal but for black we go the extra mile and get pretty darn close.

Check this

http://www.landinstr...rces/p1200b.htm



That small black dot on the front is as clsoe to perfect perfect black as you'll ever likely need. It has an emissivity of 0.998 just 0.2% away from perfect black.

Of course there's one thing I forgot to mention about the perfect balck body. At very high temperature they apear to be bright white

From http://www.thermogauge.com/


Entrance aperture of a windowless graphite tube Blackbody furnace at 2000 °C.

[Ocelot]

Truth Warrior, on Jun 29 2007, 02:29 PM, said:

Siau --

"The map is NOT the territory." So what are we supposed to get over, the map or the territory? We've done "dualism" here already ........ ad nauseum.<IMHO>

Thanks!

HAGO!

CYL

Typically as helpful as ever. I don't suppose you wish to enlighten us as to where we've done dualism ad nauseum or what conclusions we reached? Because I just searched the forum for the keyword "dualism" and found only your post and mine above.

[Dragon Fly]

Ocelot, on Jun 29 2007, 06:32 AM, said:

I'm off on a tangent.

Physicists love pefect black bodies. (No I don't mean Tyra Banks ) To them it means that any radiation incident on the black body will be abosrbed and that the specturm of electromagnetic radiation emited at any temperature will be a perfect boltzman curve. I'll have to agree that perfection is an unobtaibale goal but for black we go the extra mile and get pretty darn close.

Check this

That small black dot on the front is as clsoe to perfect perfect black as you'll ever likely need. It has an emissivity of 0.998 just 0.2% away from perfect black.

Of course there's one thing I forgot to mention about the perfect balck body. At very high temperature they apear to be bright white

Entrance aperture of a windowless graphite tube Blackbody furnace at 2000 °C.

Been in depth of mine with no light???
Nothing blacker.

Dragon Fly.

[Dragon Fly]

Siau, on Jun 29 2007, 11:56 PM, said:

Three people have brought this yin-yang thing up in the last week or so. It is very popular as a means to inspire a great deal of philosophy in society, "for every right thing, we must create a left thing". It leads only to confusion in the long run if the reality isn't represented. It doesn't represent reality, not the map, not the territory, none of it.

It represents a simple minded way to use your mind. It does not take into account many things that your mind must also do at the same time. It is a temptation to attempt being too simple and ignoring reality. It represents the balance of things that do not exist anyway, like "Heaven and Hell".

Reality contains absolutely NO opposites. They exist only in mental constructs, "Left and Right".

Yin Yang "Is" balance.
All must balance.
No balance then nothing.
Universe not exist.
Reality yes universe no.

Dragon Fly.

[Dragon Fly]

Siau, on Jun 30 2007, 10:05 AM, said:

Yes, a balance of "Up and Down" which in Reality don't actually exist.

Yes, all does balance, but not as simple opposites. Reality is NOT bidimensional.

Less balance == movement. No balance == nothing.
Semantics. In this thread Reality is all tht exists but universe is also all that exists. I know everyone doesn't use the words that way, but here it is how they are meant.

Reality is not binary.

All things are in that third category of being not entirely white nor entirely black.
All things that are real, are a mix of the concepts.
All real things are a shade of gray.

Trying to use a binary mind to understand a trinary Reality is like trying to get the square peg into the round hole. But since it doesn't fit, you make a smaller square pegs trying to fill the gap. You can never fill all of the gaps. You must always leave something out and only have an estimate, continuos error.

IMHO

Yes, a balance of "Up and Down" which in Reality don't actually exist.

I not say “a balance of up and down”.
I say Yin Yang “is” balance and all must balance.
Reality is a balance of all that is in reality.
All that exists in reality is of past and future.
The seen and unseen.

Yes, all does balance, but not as simple opposites. Reality is NOT bidimensional.
All must balance.
Even if multiple dimensional


Less balance == movement. No balance == nothing.
Again.
All must balance.
Reality is balanced.
No balance then Universe will not exist.
If universe not exist reality would still exist.
If universe not exist then you and I would not have conversation.
Reality yes universe no.

Semantics. In this thread Reality is all tht exists but universe is also all that exists. I know everyone doesn't use the words that way, but here it is how they are meant.
I beg pardon.
Are you contradicting “ reality is all that exists but universe is also all that exists”?
Would you mean that “Universe is all that is in our reality and our reality is all that is in the universe”?

Some would say that reality just is... If it can not be seen it is not reality.
This is a problem to be solved.
Reality is both seen and not seen.

Reality is “not” binary.
Reality is very binary.

“All” things are in that third category of being not entirely white nor entirely black.
Why you say this.
All things are of positive or negative.

“All” things that are real, are a mix of the concepts.
What you mean “mix of the concepts”?
All that is reality is reality, no mix of concepts.

“All” real things are a shade of gray.
Reality is color, not shade of gray

Trying to use a binary mind to understand a trinary Reality is like trying to get the square peg into the round hole. But since it doesn't fit, you make a smaller square pegs trying to fill the gap. You can never fill all of the gaps. You must always leave something out and only have an estimate, continuos error.
Reality is.
Reality is not a trinary.
Reality may contain a trinary, reality is not a trinary.
Square and round pegs?
Now you have regressed to square and round pegs, missing point.

Reality as with truth cannot be created, destroyed or changed.
This is so.
truth and reality are the same.

Dragon Fly.

[Ocelot]

Dragon Fly, on Jun 30 2007, 10:49 AM, said:

Been in depth of mine with no light???
Nothing blacker.

Dragon Fly.

Been in depth of a cave and switched off my light. After twenty minutes or so could see individual flashes of green light as nerves in my retina fired either randomly or perhaps as the very limited light triggered them. Cool stuff. Of course I could argue that greater blackness was possible but that's the blackest I've ever seen.