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Posted 04 June 2006 - 08:06 AM

I was just going to post the link to this excellent little Weird Science article but the web page has some issues with the horizontal length so I have cut and pasted it here.
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Come back to reality - most conspiracy theories are just plain wrong.

by Steven Novella, M.D – March 23, 2006

There are no shortage of conspiracy theories in the halls of pseudoscience and pseudohistory, not to mention pop culture mythology. According to a 1992 New York Times survey, 77 percent of Americans hold the demonstrably wrong belief that the JFK assassination was the work of a conspiracy. Others believe there are conspiracies to suppress a cure for cancer or hide knowledge of cold fusion or other "free energy" sources. There are those who say that the AIDS virus was created in a government lab specifically to target the gay community or that vaccines are a government program designed to cause illness. The biggest conspiracy theories contend that the entire world is secretly run by a shadowy organization of megalomaniacs, like the Iluminati or the Men in Black.

So what is the appeal of such conspiracies? For one, humans have a well documented propensity for pattern recognition. We seek out patterns as a way of making sense of the complex world around us. Sometimes we see patterns that are not there. Humans also have a natural, and evolutionarily adaptive, paranoia. It's good to be wary of potential harm or abuse, otherwise we would be easily victimized or deceived. But like all adaptive mental tendencies, in some individuals paranoia can be too strong, even overwhelming.

Hard-core conspiracy theorists tend to have a cartoon view of the world, one in which all people fall into one of three groups: the conspirators, the crusaders, and the dupes. The conspirators are portrayed as evil and powerful, seeking control for its own sake. They are often granted unimaginable cleverness and resources, and their reach knows no bounds. At the same time, they are ascribed unbelievable stupidity-for how else could their conspiracy be uncovered? The crusaders are the believers themselves. They feel they are a small band of freedom-fighters saving the world from incredible malfeasance. The dupes are everyone else.

But grand conspiracies (and that's what we're talking about here) require the cooperation of countless people over long periods of time and across many institutions. This is the first major logical fault with grand conspiracy theories: They tend to collapse under their own weight. The problem is explaining how the conspirators are able to maintain secrecy and control. If the U.S. were hiding UFOs and aliens over decades, the number of people that would need to be involved is huge. How do they keep them all silent? How do they get the funding and the space to run such an operation? Have all the presidential administrations since Roswell been involved? How do they prevent leaks-say, the kinds of leaks that recently outed the government's domestic spying program? Wouldn't other governments have discovered the presence of aliens? Are they too involved? In order to answer these questions, more and more power and scope must be ceded to the conspirators, until you have to believe that they run the world.

Second, conspiracy theorists tend to believe that everything happens for a reason – a logical fallacy known as the argument from final consequences. For example, Bush’s power and popularity benefited from 9/11, therefore he must have perpetrated 9/11. The assassination of JFK had enormous consequences; therefore it could not have been the insane act of a lone nut. It must have had an equally enormous cause – a conspiracy. The more elegant view is that we simply live in a wacky world and sometimes stuff happens.

Conspiracy theorists also make much was what we don’t know. If the quirky details of a complex historical event cannot be explained and documented to an arbitrarily high degree, then there must be a reason for our ignorance. The dark hand of a conspiracy must be at work in the shadows. Again, Occam would remind us that complexity naturally leads to inexplicable chaos without the need for a purposeful conspiracy.

The final, and most insidious, problem with conspiracy theories is that they quickly become a closed belief system. Why is there no evidence for a conspiracy? Because the conspirators have hidden all the evidence. Why is there evidence that the conspiracy is wrong? Because the conspirators fabricated and planted that evidence. How could they have done that? Because they have frightening power and reach (which brings us back to the first problem). Therefore, there is no amount or type of evidence that can convince a conspiracy theorist that he's wrong, which means that his (or her) beliefs are comfortably unhinged from reality.

The alternative, alas, is to live in reality. Reality can be frightening and confusing, with questions that are difficult to answer and problems that are hard to solve. But in the real world, at least there are no all-powerful cabals, controlling us from behind the scenes.

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I guess that I am one of the dupes in many cases although I do have some minimal skill in recognizing patterns. There is just so much reality to get out there and explore, study and correlate it seems like a waste of life to spend a lot of time even peeking at the endless reprints of the Elders of Zion or other conspiracy theories. Especially if the poster's found nothing but excuses for failing to actually discuss the silly things. At any rate if you'd like to see the article in it's stretch format as well as letter in rebuttal and Dr. Novella's response, you can go here.

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 12:09 PM

View PostPlutodog, on Jun 4 2006, 05:06 AM, said:

... his (or her) beliefs are comfortably unhinged from reality. The alternative, alas, is to live in reality.


He could have written this for the CoR :)
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Posted 04 June 2006 - 02:01 PM

My concern is that not pursuing potential conspiracies just allows them to proliferate.

Most of the time things ARE what they first appear to be, of course. But if, for example, the Watergate breakin was treated as a mere burglary and Woodward had not shown up at the arraignment of the bu(n)glars, then what truly WAS a conspiracy might have become just another police blotter entry for that day, period, and then faded away immediately amid the big stories of the day like the war, the protests, and the ongoing campaign. Instead, for many of us, terms like "Ellsberg's psychiatrist," "bombing the Brookings Institution," and "follow the money" are eternally etched in our heads.

I find a lot of the current 9/11 conspiracy stuff to be so much like the DaVinci code that it gets silly. I distrust a lot of the photos, which are far too often blurry and not very indicative of anything except what the person who publishes them wants to believe. On the other hand, a lot of information is compiled by people who put a lot more time into it than I, for one, have. Not all of them are dolts.

But until there is an authoritative, point by point refutation of every charge -- complete with documentation -- I am unwilling to dismiss the possibility that the guys running the show here are manipulating public opinion for their own gain. Particularly when things like the ports deal, etc. come up and their lies -- and their ties -- surface, however briefly. There is serious 'splainin' to do and it hasn't been done yet.

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 05:19 PM

View Postkate, on Jun 4 2006, 07:01 AM, said:

My concern is that not pursuing potential conspiracies just allows them to proliferate.
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But until there is an authoritative, point by point refutation of every charge -- complete with documentation -- I am unwilling to dismiss the possibility that the guys running the show here are manipulating public opinion for their own gain. Particularly when things like the ports deal, etc. come up and their lies -- and their ties -- surface, however briefly. There is serious 'splainin' to do and it hasn't been done yet.

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No doubt, there ARE real conspiracy's real plots and crimes and skullduggery going on. Perhaps one of the dangers of the deep end conspiracy claims, though is that they go too far, trying to connect too many unrelated dots, depend too easily on refutable "facts" and therefore become discredited and in that process, true bits and pieces of the story get discounted.

Many of our problems, I believe are the result of building generation upon generation of less than socially responsible leadership and followership -- social ills compounded. That's not conspiracy so much as like father like son, and "b" is likely to follow "a" probability stuff. These social diseases and distortions are not easily reformed/overcome by the best of efforts. When we gum up the works with truly tin foil hat stuff that increase the public apathy/skepticism, though, we REALLY are complicit in the continuing human catastrophes that go on worldwide.

As realists, we are bound to maintain a firm hand on skepticism and questioning not just the official facts, but the "official" conspiracy theories. And we ought to be able to talk them out with those who believe them -- else we're devolved into a bulletin board for such a hodge podge of hooey that our mission is gummed up, our reputation damaged, our time spent in pursuing a better world through reality, severely undercut.

Popular Mechanics has just put out a debunking of many 9/11 conspiracy legends that those interested can read at this Popular Mechanics Website link.

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 07:14 PM

View PostPlutodog, on Jun 4 2006, 01:19 PM, said:

Popular Mechanics has just put out a debunking of many 9/11 conspiracy legends that those interested can read at this Popular Mechanics Website link.

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Popular Mechanics has been about the business of debunking on 9/11 for quite awhile, I believe. They join many other experts in showing how the thing might have happened just as we are told they did, and I'd be the last person on the planet to say they're wrong as I am not an engineer or any type of scientist.

And when professors of philosophy or astronomy get aggressively outspoken on behalf of the detonation theories, I tend not to lend an ear too very long, although I admit to being curious about the numerous reports as folks were evacuating of smaller explosions in various parts of the Twin Towers after they were both struck.

I'm a lot more interested in the removal of evidence stuff where it just doesn't seem warranted, and the odd "coincidences" -- the best, of course, being the discovery of the passport of one of the WTC hijackers mere hours after the buildings came down. How very convenient.

Maybe if Marvin Bush hadn't been tied to WTC Security I'd be a bit less "curious." Hell, there's lots of stuff that seems awfully spooky, and I don't want to make something out of nothing. But I keep my eyes and ears open.


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Posted 04 June 2006 - 07:32 PM

View Postkate, on Jun 4 2006, 12:14 PM, said:

Popular Mechanics has been about the business of debunking on 9/11 for quite awhile, I believe. They join many other experts in showing how the thing might have happened just as we are told they did, and I'd be the last person on the planet to say they're wrong as I am not an engineer or any type of scientist.

And when professors of philosophy or astronomy get aggressively outspoken on behalf of the detonation theories, I tend not to lend an ear too very long, although I admit to being curious about the numerous reports as folks were evacuating of smaller explosions in various parts of the Twin Towers after they were both struck.

I'm a lot more interested in the removal of evidence stuff where it just doesn't seem warranted, and the odd "coincidences" -- the best, of course, being the discovery of the passport of one of the WTC hijackers mere hours after the buildings came down. How very convenient.

Maybe if Marvin Bush hadn't been tied to WTC Security I'd be a bit less "curious." Hell, there's lots of stuff that seems awfully spooky, and I don't want to make something out of nothing. But I keep my eyes and ears open.
Kate

I agree. We just need to concentrate on what can be proved and not go off the deep end.

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