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Yet another video. And very disturbing.
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=psP_9RE0V2I
There are several things that really get to me. In particular, WTC7 - the third building - it collapses straight down just like a building deliberately demolished. Real building look more like the Oklahoma City Federal building, partially collapsed.
I don't know what happened on 9-11 but I'm convinced that what did happen is not what we are being led to believe.
Was the World Trade Center deliberatly demolished?
Was it brought down by planes or bombs?
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jsessa 
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Posted 31 March 2006 - 07:22 PM
Duh, didn’t the Oklahoma bombing result from a bomb outside the building? Kind of like a shaped charge of sorts? Why stop with that one building, how about the Marine barracks in Beirut? Yet another shaped charge device OUTSIDE the building BLASTING in a 360 degree arc. But did ya notice, how close were the other buildings to both of those disasters? Not close at all, as well as the target buildings were not very buildings to shoot out a whole bunch of debris everywhere.
As for the number 7 building, didn’t that collapse after the two BIG TWIN TOWERS came crashing down?
With all the rubble striking the ground it must have been just like a very large earthquake that took only a few seconds to complete its run. Unlike those big earthquakes anywhere else in the world that could last as long as 60 seconds and I bet even longer.
Anyway getting back to the mystery collapse of WT7 wasn’t it also damaged by fire and a crap load of falling material? Of course it would collapse, there was a big load of debris hitting and falling on it. Them Twin Towers are huge buildings. And besides aren’t they also designed to hold up all that weight above them? When those upper floors of the buildings began to burn and the walls buckled there was a sudden shift of weight that was too much strain for the support of the building.
Now you take your Empire State Building, that thing is built solid with massive inner support walls. Back to the Twin Towers; they are built like insects with their support walls, the skeleton on the outside. Puncture the Empire State Building and the building would probably still be standing. The Empire State Building is built like a kid with an erector set would have built it. The beams all interlock and give the building great support. Just look at the airline disaster back in the 1940’s when a big plane hit the Empire State Building. I will give you the fact that it was a much smaller plane and it was not traveling as near as fast as those Krazy Arab Kamikaze pilots but I believe that had the Empire State Building been the crash dive target, it would still be standing. Hey after all, Bin Laden was or still is some kind of construction engineer. He no doubt picked his target well.
Now let’s talk about bridges. The safest overly built bridge is the Brooklyn Bridge. Hitting that would give you one hell of a bloody nose. If an unscrupulous person wanted to destroy that bridge, he better bring a couple of truckloads of TNT or a small nuclear device. The same goes for Hoover Dam. That sucker is rock motherf%^king solid. What the hell, the concrete in Hoover Dam is still curing and it is estimated that it will take another 600 to 1,000 years to finally set. That concrete is amazing stuff as evidence by some Roman aqueducts that are still standing after 2,000 years and may well go another 2,000.
Hey I love a great mystery just like anyone else, but I also like my mysteries to make sense. Most of these Tin Foil Hat theories are fun to read about but they are also fun to pick apart, just like a poorly written bestseller.
As for the number 7 building, didn’t that collapse after the two BIG TWIN TOWERS came crashing down?
With all the rubble striking the ground it must have been just like a very large earthquake that took only a few seconds to complete its run. Unlike those big earthquakes anywhere else in the world that could last as long as 60 seconds and I bet even longer.
Anyway getting back to the mystery collapse of WT7 wasn’t it also damaged by fire and a crap load of falling material? Of course it would collapse, there was a big load of debris hitting and falling on it. Them Twin Towers are huge buildings. And besides aren’t they also designed to hold up all that weight above them? When those upper floors of the buildings began to burn and the walls buckled there was a sudden shift of weight that was too much strain for the support of the building.
Now you take your Empire State Building, that thing is built solid with massive inner support walls. Back to the Twin Towers; they are built like insects with their support walls, the skeleton on the outside. Puncture the Empire State Building and the building would probably still be standing. The Empire State Building is built like a kid with an erector set would have built it. The beams all interlock and give the building great support. Just look at the airline disaster back in the 1940’s when a big plane hit the Empire State Building. I will give you the fact that it was a much smaller plane and it was not traveling as near as fast as those Krazy Arab Kamikaze pilots but I believe that had the Empire State Building been the crash dive target, it would still be standing. Hey after all, Bin Laden was or still is some kind of construction engineer. He no doubt picked his target well.
Now let’s talk about bridges. The safest overly built bridge is the Brooklyn Bridge. Hitting that would give you one hell of a bloody nose. If an unscrupulous person wanted to destroy that bridge, he better bring a couple of truckloads of TNT or a small nuclear device. The same goes for Hoover Dam. That sucker is rock motherf%^king solid. What the hell, the concrete in Hoover Dam is still curing and it is estimated that it will take another 600 to 1,000 years to finally set. That concrete is amazing stuff as evidence by some Roman aqueducts that are still standing after 2,000 years and may well go another 2,000.
Hey I love a great mystery just like anyone else, but I also like my mysteries to make sense. Most of these Tin Foil Hat theories are fun to read about but they are also fun to pick apart, just like a poorly written bestseller.
All I have to say is thank God for that 23.5 degree tilt, for without it there would be no God to thank!
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Posted 31 March 2006 - 09:00 PM
Well, this can be easily resolved, all we need to do is get some construction/demolition material specialists to examine the physical evidence (key parts of the support structure.) If it was due to heat there should be evidence of that, and if there were explosives involved there would be evidence of that. Heck, this should already be done, what with the building having been designed to withstand plane crashes, somebody must have taken a look at what actually happened so it could be prevented in the future right??? Simple... Simple.... Simple.....
Or is it
Or is it
#5 Guest_Truth Warrior_*
Posted 31 March 2006 - 09:42 PM
frostbyte --
Ahem, unfortunately the scrap metal was sent to China, melted down, and recycled. Kind of a "rush" job, it seems to me. So, I guess we're just out of luck. Darn! Sounds like coverup and destruction of evidence to me. Kind of like the National Archives "losing" JFK's brain remains. Oops! Darn, again. "Lies and deceptions resist and obstruct investigation, truth welcomes it." Pretty well says it all, in my book. Several polls of NYC residents have been conducted, about half believe 9/11 was an "inside" job. My guess is the other half, haven't investigated or thought about it much. "HOT BUTTON", issue for me. Can you tell?
http://www.physics911.net/
http://www.physics91...ganreynolds.htm
HAGO!
Later,
Ahem, unfortunately the scrap metal was sent to China, melted down, and recycled. Kind of a "rush" job, it seems to me. So, I guess we're just out of luck. Darn! Sounds like coverup and destruction of evidence to me. Kind of like the National Archives "losing" JFK's brain remains. Oops! Darn, again. "Lies and deceptions resist and obstruct investigation, truth welcomes it." Pretty well says it all, in my book. Several polls of NYC residents have been conducted, about half believe 9/11 was an "inside" job. My guess is the other half, haven't investigated or thought about it much. "HOT BUTTON", issue for me. Can you tell?
http://www.physics911.net/
http://www.physics91...ganreynolds.htm
HAGO!
Later,
#6
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 04:37 AM
Yes and New Orleans was destroyed by the U.S. government with their new weapon that creates huge storms. Then they blew up the levees to kill of the Black people that can't swim. Wait there is more Binladen isn't real he is a computer animation created by the U.S. government so they have someone to blame when they want to kill of people. Right this second new spy satelites are reading your thoughts and controlling your dreams.
But you are right T.W. they should have left all that steel and concrete lay in the streets for a few months. No digging for survivors. No one being able to get around downtown. It all should have been left till you could get there to inspect it with your team of experts. Just to prove it happened the way they said.
But you are right T.W. they should have left all that steel and concrete lay in the streets for a few months. No digging for survivors. No one being able to get around downtown. It all should have been left till you could get there to inspect it with your team of experts. Just to prove it happened the way they said.
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 05:00 AM
Truth seeker, on Apr 1 2006, 12:37 AM, said:
But you are right T.W. they should have left all that steel and concrete lay in the streets for a few months. No digging for survivors. No one being able to get around downtown. It all should have been left till you could get there to inspect it with your team of experts. Just to prove it happened the way they said.
Sending them off to be recycled in Asia is not the only option besides leaving the mess in the streets.
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 05:22 AM
frostbyte, on Mar 31 2006, 09:00 PM, said:
Sending them off to be recycled in Asia is not the only option besides leaving the mess in the streets.
It wasn't sent off to Asia. Some of the scrap steel was sold to the highest bidder and yes China did buy alot of it. Seeing how they are building up a industry it kind of makes sense. So did U.S. steel plants in PA but this doesn't help the conspiracy theories so you don't hear about it. CONspiracy theories and religion have a lot in common. They both will distort fact and give half truths to help people see their way.
So what do you think they should have done with it? Move it to some other place and store it.
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 11:13 AM
T.S. --
YEP!! Just exactly like government, as I have been saying all along.
The "official" version of 9/11 is the real "CONSPIRACY THEORY"!!!!! And YOU bought it!!!
I'm not in a particularly, hand-holding and spoon-feeding, mood on this one. If you are interested enough or care enough, which I seriously doubt, you will investigate it, on your own, which I also seriously doubt you will do.
Please remind me again, just what TRUTH is it, that you are seeking?
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CONspiracy theories and religion have a lot in common. They both will distort fact and give half truths to help people see their way.
YEP!! Just exactly like government, as I have been saying all along.
The "official" version of 9/11 is the real "CONSPIRACY THEORY"!!!!! And YOU bought it!!!
I'm not in a particularly, hand-holding and spoon-feeding, mood on this one. If you are interested enough or care enough, which I seriously doubt, you will investigate it, on your own, which I also seriously doubt you will do.
Please remind me again, just what TRUTH is it, that you are seeking?
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 11:59 AM
Truth Warrior, on Apr 1 2006, 03:13 AM, said:
T.S. --
YEP!! Just exactly like government, as I have been saying all along.
The "official" version of 9/11 is the real "CONSPIRACY THEORY"!!!!! And YOU bought it!!!
I'm not in a particularly, hand-holding and spoon-feeding, mood on this one. If you are interested enough or care enough, which I seriously doubt, you will investigate it, on your own, which I also seriously doubt you will do.
Please remind me again, just what TRUTH is it, that you are seeking?
YEP!! Just exactly like government, as I have been saying all along.
The "official" version of 9/11 is the real "CONSPIRACY THEORY"!!!!! And YOU bought it!!!
I'm not in a particularly, hand-holding and spoon-feeding, mood on this one. If you are interested enough or care enough, which I seriously doubt, you will investigate it, on your own, which I also seriously doubt you will do.
Please remind me again, just what TRUTH is it, that you are seeking?
OHH bold type and name calling. I have read your so called truths. I enjoy them like I do any other fiction novel. Don't worry I don't need you to spoon feed me or hold my hand. You can also feel free to doubt me. I bet you also think that they landed all the planes in Kentucky and all the passengers where loaded on the plane that went down in PA. The planes that hit the towers and Pentagon were piloted by the Mothman, Bigfoot and the Blair witch.
Let me guess your next topic will be about how the moon landing was actually just a hoax done in the desert with special effects.
Once again you prove that if someone disagrees with you they must be wrong or better yet I am probably just a employee of "THE MAN" sent online to try to shut you up and through people off the real truth.
Here so you don't have to reply I will do it for you. I already know you took the red pill and I think it was laced. So why don't you put the drugs down and join the rest of us in Reality.
#12 Guest_Truth Warrior_*
Posted 01 April 2006 - 12:27 PM
T.S. --
WRONG, of course, as usual. <YAWN, BORING> And the name I called you was "what"? What creativity, what an imagination, what a fantasy world you must live in!!! You, reality!
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T.S. --
QUOTE: "CONspiracy theories and religion have a lot in common. They both will distort fact and give half truths to help people see their way."
YEP!! Just exactly like government, as I have been saying all along.
The "official" version of 9/11 is the real "CONSPIRACY THEORY"!!!!! And YOU bought it!!!
I'm not in a particularly, hand-holding and spoon-feeding, mood on this one. If you are interested enough or care enough, which I seriously doubt, you will investigate it, on your own, which I also seriously doubt you will do.
Please remind me again, just what TRUTH is it, that you are seeking?
QUOTE: "CONspiracy theories and religion have a lot in common. They both will distort fact and give half truths to help people see their way."
YEP!! Just exactly like government, as I have been saying all along.
The "official" version of 9/11 is the real "CONSPIRACY THEORY"!!!!! And YOU bought it!!!
I'm not in a particularly, hand-holding and spoon-feeding, mood on this one. If you are interested enough or care enough, which I seriously doubt, you will investigate it, on your own, which I also seriously doubt you will do.
Please remind me again, just what TRUTH is it, that you are seeking?
WRONG, of course, as usual. <YAWN, BORING> And the name I called you was "what"? What creativity, what an imagination, what a fantasy world you must live in!!! You, reality!
#13
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Posted 01 April 2006 - 12:38 PM
Truth seeker, on Apr 1 2006, 01:22 AM, said:
It wasn't sent off to Asia. Some of the scrap steel was sold to the highest bidder and yes China did buy alot of it. Seeing how they are building up a industry it kind of makes sense. So did U.S. steel plants in PA but this doesn't help the conspiracy theories so you don't hear about it. CONspiracy theories and religion have a lot in common. They both will distort fact and give half truths to help people see their way.
The key part is not so much where it went, it was that it was sold off to commercial interests without being thoroughly examined by materials experts.
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So what do you think they should have done with it? Move it to some other place and store it.
Yes! Conspiracy theories aside, this was a major construction failure, as well as a major crime. For both of those reasons the materials should have been handled as important evidence, not just debris to be disposed of.
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Posted 07 April 2006 - 02:17 PM
But of course we must all believe in the likelihood that the passport of one of the hijackers (was it Atta?) was conveniently lying right out there on top of the rubble where two of the largest buildings on the planet had just been incinerated. ("Strange but true" they say.)
We must not question why the debris field for Flight 93 extended as far as 8 miles! Amazing! (Previous record was about a mile-and-a-half.) ("Miracles happen" they insist.)
We must not inquire as to why the lawn directly in front of the point of impact at the Pentagon had NO, repeat NO, marks of any kind such as an airliner flown by an amateur would be expected to leave, or why the part of the building hit had so few people in it. ("Wow, that was lucky!" they think.)
We must not question any of this because, well, we don't want to be accused of being conspiracy-theorist-whackjobs by numbskulls who buy everything the government says. They buy it in spite of holes all over the place in the review, in the evidence, and constant indications that the perpetrators of what is clearly the worst US government in history have lied/concealed/evaded/cheated at every possible opportunity. ("Why is she so angry?" they snicker.)
We must not question it because, well, it's "Just too awful to contemplate." ("I just don't think I could deal with it if these theories were true" they sigh.)
"Why are THEY such dunderheaded nitwits?" she thought.
Kate
We must not question why the debris field for Flight 93 extended as far as 8 miles! Amazing! (Previous record was about a mile-and-a-half.) ("Miracles happen" they insist.)
We must not inquire as to why the lawn directly in front of the point of impact at the Pentagon had NO, repeat NO, marks of any kind such as an airliner flown by an amateur would be expected to leave, or why the part of the building hit had so few people in it. ("Wow, that was lucky!" they think.)
We must not question any of this because, well, we don't want to be accused of being conspiracy-theorist-whackjobs by numbskulls who buy everything the government says. They buy it in spite of holes all over the place in the review, in the evidence, and constant indications that the perpetrators of what is clearly the worst US government in history have lied/concealed/evaded/cheated at every possible opportunity. ("Why is she so angry?" they snicker.)
We must not question it because, well, it's "Just too awful to contemplate." ("I just don't think I could deal with it if these theories were true" they sigh.)
"Why are THEY such dunderheaded nitwits?" she thought.
Kate
#18 Guest_Truth Warrior_*
Posted 07 April 2006 - 03:03 PM
Elder Norm --
I tend not to joke about 9/11. I may be incorrect, but I'm not joking. I've studied it far too long and in far too much depth to joke, about it. REALITY is very scary, sometimes. Would that it were otherwise.
Does this clarify my position on it, for you? I hope so. I can't speak for others.
Thanks!
HAGO!
Later,
I tend not to joke about 9/11. I may be incorrect, but I'm not joking. I've studied it far too long and in far too much depth to joke, about it. REALITY is very scary, sometimes. Would that it were otherwise.
Does this clarify my position on it, for you? I hope so. I can't speak for others.
Thanks!
HAGO!
Later,
#19
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Posted 07 April 2006 - 05:05 PM
Elder Norm, on Apr 7 2006, 10:55 AM, said:
You know, I just realized that I cannot tell where the serious, joking, and saterical lines are here.
Either you people are scary, or . . .. I should . . never play poker again. Ever.
Elder Norm.
Either you people are scary, or . . .. I should . . never play poker again. Ever.
Elder Norm.
Elder, there's room for all of it here. In regard to 9/11, there is plenty of blame to go around no matter whom you or I believe. But even Mel Gibson turned out to be right in that Conspiracy movie he did, for pete's sake! ("Even a broken clock is right twice a day" they snicker.)
Efforts have been made to portray all people who don't buy the official line in connection with 9/11 as freaked-out morons -- presumably they all live in their mother's basement, eat Cheese Doodles from sunrise till they go to bed, don't shower, have dirty fingernails, and peer out from behind the curtains periodically to get the only sunlight they ever see. "They all say no planes EVER hit the towers!" "They all think that Mossad instigated the whole thing!" (What whole thing? The one where the planes hit the towers? Wait a minute! I thought they don't think the planes DID hit the towers! I'm confused.) "They all needed time off from their Area 51 research!" They pick out the most nonsensical rantings of a handful of lunatics and try to paint the rest of the doubters with that broad brush, but rarely do they ever review the evidence in any depth.
I sure don't know what happened that day, but I'm thinking that at this point, I ought to, because we had a commission that was supposed to tell us. But lies and obfuscation prevented that commission's report from informing us and resolving a lot of questions that persist to this day. And those unanswered questions give rise to doubt. If that makes me a conspiracy-type, fine.
At least I'm not a gullible fool content to swallow any crumbs our "leaders" (term applied loosely) see fit to throw our way. What the hell have they done to earn my trust on this? Pass the Patriot Act? Give me a break. "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them." Tell me why I ought to buy into anything they say.
I'll accept their account of things when they fill in all these holes. "Meester, 'splain me pleeze!?!"
Kate