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Posted 16 April 2006 - 03:38 PM

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Posted 16 April 2006 - 03:44 PM

View PostCastlevania, on Apr 16 2006, 03:08 AM, said:

Why even bother with another harmful product, like coal, when we have a perfect substitute for petrodiesel

biodiesel.org

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biodiesel doesn't scale well. There is still lots of advancement required in order to make this viable. I remember hearing (or reading?) once that in order to power half the cars in Germany with biodiesel would require every acre of Germany to grow biodiesel crops.
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Posted 16 April 2006 - 06:19 PM

View PostAvatar, on Apr 16 2006, 03:55 AM, said:

There are vast, barely tapped, oil reserves in Canada. Second only to Saudi Arabia. We're already the US's number one supplier of oil, natural gas and plain old electricity. So fuggedaboutit! We've got you covered for the next century.

...unless China offers us a better price ;)


The oil sands in Alberta have already been covered in the peakoil site, they take a lot of energy to extract. Just read the whole thing, they go over all the major alternatives and why it won't work out.

I'm going to plan for this economical meltdown.

If you think about it..it makes sense. Oil is used for everything. And...it's not an unlimited resource, something's gotta give at some point in time. Unfortunately, this site suggests sooner rather than later.
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Posted 16 April 2006 - 06:49 PM

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Research the counter arguments (or not)! :-D
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Posted 17 April 2006 - 07:29 PM

View PostTruth Warrior, on Apr 16 2006, 11:49 AM, said:

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Research the counter arguments (or not)! :-D


Will do...in summer (when I have more time)

I was hoping someone could find a good counterarguement for me xD

Now I'll have to stay paranoid.
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The web is full of disinformation, misinformation, half-truths and lies. :-( You might want to develop a real fine gauge filter for use on the web.<IMHO> One I use is, "Who stands to gain from my believing, that this is true?" Another is, "What do I stand to lose, believing that this is true, if it is not?"
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Posted 17 April 2006 - 10:18 PM

View PostTruth Warrior, on Apr 17 2006, 02:30 PM, said:

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The web is full of disinformation, misinformation, half-truths and lies. :-( You might want to develop a real fine gauge filter for use on the web.<IMHO> One I use is, "Who stands to gain from my believing, that this is true?" Another is, "What do I stand to lose, believing that this is true, if it is not?"


The filter I use...is: avoid the christian sites at all costs.

Consider the source.

Consider the gain.

This site passed, because it would crash the stock market if the govt told the public that we'd have an economical meltdown due to the rising oil prices. Oh yeah, and there are no really good alternatives yet: have fun. The site also outlines our extreme dependence on oil. It's frightning. Someone proove me wrong, please.

Hydrogen fuel..doesn't solve the problem of other uses of oil ie: plastics....in a world without cheap plastic...
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dil --

It's up to you to prove you right or wrong!<IMHO>
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Posted 18 April 2006 - 12:42 PM

http://www.peakoil.net/
http://www.peakoil.com/
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
http://www.peakoil.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
http://energycrisis....de/lecture.html
http://peakoil.blogspot.com/
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Hubbert_peak
http://www.hubbertpeak.com/
http://www.dieoff.org/
http://www.countercu...org/peakoil.htm
http://www.oilempire.us/
http://www.survivingpeakoil.com/
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/
http://www.energybul....net/primer.php
http://www.hubbertpeak.com/summary.htm
http://technorati.com/tag/peak+oil
http://www.fromthewi...03_simmons.html
http://www.energybulletin.net/
http://www.peakoilaction.org/
http://www.postcarbon.org/
http://www.theoildrum.com/
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Posted 18 April 2006 - 11:38 PM

View PostTruth Warrior, on Apr 18 2006, 05:42 AM, said:



been to the first 4 (already)...they seem to support the peakoil doomday thing.

Will visit others later..but..are those sites that support the idea? (they look like it)
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Posted 18 April 2006 - 11:44 PM

dil --

I just ran a Copernic search on Peak Oil and that's what came up.
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Posted 04 May 2006 - 08:57 AM

I trust that the "powers that be" will continue to ensure that we have enough energy to maintain a state of constant war (a la 1984), and of course enough for the ruling class to jet around the world or drive around in their bullet-proof black SUVs.

The "war energy" will be shored up with huge oil reserves such as we now already have. Of course they can't keep burning through oil forever. That's where tactical nukes come into play. Conventional war is energy-intensive. Nuclear war is not. Drop a couple of big ones on the troublemakers every 50 years or so, that will keep them in line.

Energy will never be out of reach for the wealthy. While you may bitch about paying $60 or even $120 for a fill-up at the pump, the wealthy don't give a damn. They are driving the company car anyway, they just pass the cost to the consumer.

We (the common Joe) have been living like kings for years now. I read on one of the Peak Oil sites that cheap oil is essentially, economically, like (everyone!) having a couple of personal servants. Well, that party is coming to an end. The energy crunch will hurt the poor a lot, and with the disappearance of the middle class (accellerated by Peak Oil), that will be the fate of most of our children and grandchildren.
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AGREED! I LIKE YOU! :-D

When you add in technology, our number of personal servants increases exponentially.

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Posted 04 May 2006 - 08:30 PM

View Postwrinkles, on May 4 2006, 12:57 AM, said:

I trust that the "powers that be" will continue to ensure that we have enough energy to maintain a state of constant war (a la 1984), and of course enough for the ruling class to jet around the world or drive around in their bullet-proof black SUVs.

The "war energy" will be shored up with huge oil reserves such as we now already have. Of course they can't keep burning through oil forever. That's where tactical nukes come into play. Conventional war is energy-intensive. Nuclear war is not. Drop a couple of big ones on the troublemakers every 50 years or so, that will keep them in line.

Energy will never be out of reach for the wealthy. While you may bitch about paying $60 or even $120 for a fill-up at the pump, the wealthy don't give a damn. They are driving the company car anyway, they just pass the cost to the consumer.

We (the common Joe) have been living like kings for years now. I read on one of the Peak Oil sites that cheap oil is essentially, economically, like (everyone!) having a couple of personal servants. Well, that party is coming to an end. The energy crunch will hurt the poor a lot, and with the disappearance of the middle class (accellerated by Peak Oil), that will be the fate of most of our children and grandchildren.


And this is why the proletariat and the common man need to unite against capitalist exploiters who are using the sweat off of my brow to clean their shoes with.

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The Dangers of Thinking Positive.
Psychologists say -- Think Positive. Scientists say –Think Positive. Everyone says – Think Positive.
Arctic ice is melting – Glaciers are melting – Rivers are drying up. Think Positive.
Fish population in Oceans is down to 1/3 of what it was 100 years ago.Think Positive.
Pollution levels are going sky-high and valley-deep. Think Positive.
There used to be millions of members in most species of Animals and Birds. Now they are down to thousands and hundreds. Think Positive.
Weather is getting more and more irregular and unpredictable.Think Positive.
Thinking positive is the height of insanity.
This is a world that has become completely incapable of feeling Pain, Compassion, Remorse and Guilt.
The planet is getting destroyed moment by moment – and people are thinking positive.
Very soon there will be 1 Animal and 1 Tree left in this world – and people will still be thinking positive.
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Posted 04 May 2006 - 10:17 PM

From what I've seen, these sites seem to marginalize reaction of oil producers over the long term. As oil prices rise, consumers move towards alternatives at an ever increasing rate. In order to keep market share (and keep people dependant on oil) oil companies may have to reduce their margin. Although not eliminating the effects of declining supply, it may mitigate the situation somewhat.
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Posted 05 May 2006 - 04:10 AM

frostbyte --

I'm reading "The Coming Economic Collapse", by Stephen Leeb. It's about $200 per barrel oil and it's potential impact. It says the oil crunch will make the IT collapse look like a picnic. SCAREE!

Thanks!

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Posted 05 May 2006 - 04:30 AM

biodiesel.org

You can make this stuff yourself in your backyard with some big container drums.

http://journeytofore...iesel_make.html
http://www.schnews.o...kebiodiesel.htm
http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/
http://en.wikibooks...._make_biodiesel

It's cheap (free if you make it), recycles used cooking oil, burns clean, can be used in any current diesel engine without any modfications and best of all.....

The exhaust fumes smell like popcorn or french fries :-)

There are actually some biodiesel fueling stations around the US. Much more prevelant supposedly over in europe though:

http://www.biodiesel...ilfuelingsites/

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The Dangers of Thinking Positive.
Psychologists say -- Think Positive. Scientists say –Think Positive. Everyone says – Think Positive.
Arctic ice is melting – Glaciers are melting – Rivers are drying up. Think Positive.
Fish population in Oceans is down to 1/3 of what it was 100 years ago.Think Positive.
Pollution levels are going sky-high and valley-deep. Think Positive.
There used to be millions of members in most species of Animals and Birds. Now they are down to thousands and hundreds. Think Positive.
Weather is getting more and more irregular and unpredictable.Think Positive.
Thinking positive is the height of insanity.
This is a world that has become completely incapable of feeling Pain, Compassion, Remorse and Guilt.
The planet is getting destroyed moment by moment – and people are thinking positive.
Very soon there will be 1 Animal and 1 Tree left in this world – and people will still be thinking positive.
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Posted 05 May 2006 - 09:43 AM

View PostTruth Warrior, on May 5 2006, 01:10 AM, said:

frostbyte --

I'm reading "The Coming Economic Collapse", by Stephen Leeb. It's about $200 per barrel oil and it's potential impact. It says the oil crunch will make the IT collapse look like a picnic. SCAREE!

Thanks!

CYL


I bet you sales of these would increase :) (180mpg hybrid-diesel motorcycle - hmmm diesel eh? Wonder if it'd run veggie...)

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http://www.hybrid-ve...motorcycles.htm


As for the IT collapse, that was not the problem, the IT bubble was the problem!
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Posted 05 May 2006 - 11:21 AM

View Postfrostbyte, on May 5 2006, 01:43 AM, said:

I bet you sales of these would increase :) (180mpg hybrid-diesel motorcycle - hmmm diesel eh? Wonder if it'd run veggie...)

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Hmm, supposedly, biodiesel will work in almost all diesel engines today.

$5500 price tag is really good also! A lot more reasonable then the hybrid cars.

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The Dangers of Thinking Positive.
Psychologists say -- Think Positive. Scientists say –Think Positive. Everyone says – Think Positive.
Arctic ice is melting – Glaciers are melting – Rivers are drying up. Think Positive.
Fish population in Oceans is down to 1/3 of what it was 100 years ago.Think Positive.
Pollution levels are going sky-high and valley-deep. Think Positive.
There used to be millions of members in most species of Animals and Birds. Now they are down to thousands and hundreds. Think Positive.
Weather is getting more and more irregular and unpredictable.Think Positive.
Thinking positive is the height of insanity.
This is a world that has become completely incapable of feeling Pain, Compassion, Remorse and Guilt.
The planet is getting destroyed moment by moment – and people are thinking positive.
Very soon there will be 1 Animal and 1 Tree left in this world – and people will still be thinking positive.
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View PostCastlevania, on May 5 2006, 08:21 AM, said:

Hmm, supposedly, biodiesel will work in almost all diesel engines today.

$5500 price tag is really good also! A lot more reasonable then the hybrid cars.

Nick


I want one, but I haven't been able to justify the expense yet. They've been selling (albiet a slightly different model) since 2001, so I should be on the lookout for a used one, but I doubt there's enough of them to bother at this point. If gas goes up enough, it won't take long to justify the expense.
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